Rachel takes the lead this episode for a deep dive into who pays for what in California, using this November's Proposition 40, aka "billionaire's tax", as the jumping-off point. She and Felicia trace how direct democracy landed in California in the first place. From there, Rachel talks through Prop 13, the 1978 property tax revolt that still shapes housing and school funding in California today, and a story about deceptive campaign mailers from a 2020 San Diego mayoral race that still makes her mad. (Raises fist to sky)
Then it's on to Prop 40 itself, a one-time 5% wealth tax on roughly 200 California billionaires, projected to raise somewhere between $40 and $100 billion for healthcare, food assistance, and education. Rachel breaks down who's backing it and who isn't. Critically, Rachel brings in Props 41 and 42, two measures bankrolled by tech and finance billionaires, that could legally cancel Prop 40 out entirely if they earn more votes. It's a clear look at how California's ballot system can be turned against the very people who built it, and a reminder that this stuff is complicated and we honor and respect those who don't have the time, energy, or bandwidth to take this on, though this is what those in power want.
0:08 — Welcome & the Topic: Who Pays for Stuff in California (Prop 40, the Billionaire's Tax)
4:00 — Direct vs. Representative Democracy: How California Got Its Propositions (1911)
6:14 — California's First Propositions: Women's Right to Vote & San Francisco's Shocking No Vote
10:51 — Prop 13 (1978): The Property Tax Revolt Still Shaping California
17:21 — Deceptively Written Ballot Measures & a 2020 San Diego Mayoral Race Mailer Story
21:31 — What Prop 40 Actually Does: The Billionaire's Tax, Explained
27:36 — Who's For It, Who's Against It: Newsom, SEIU, Planned Parenthood & the CA Teachers Union
39:29 — The Poison Pill: How Props 41 and 42 Could Kill Prop 40
51:37 — Follow the Money: The Billionaires' PAC Funding the Opposition
56:31 — 14 Propositions, Voting Logistics & Direct vs. Representative Democracy, Revisited
Further Reading & Sources
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Rachel Murray: Hello, hello, hello! Welcome, listener.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Listeners, please, for public and plural here on Public Speak.
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Rachel Murray: There we are!
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Rachel Murray: Hey, Rachel! Hey, Felicia! How are you today?
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): I'm well, I'm well. How are you? Well, I know how you are.
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Rachel Murray: Now I'm anxious, because today is my day.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Well, I'm excited, because I can't wait to hear more about what you're gonna talk about, and we're gonna do a little bit of a deep dive, so that'll be really fun. That's the whole point of this podcast, is to do deep dives into stuff that people don't normally know about, necessarily.
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Rachel Murray: That is true, and I will say I am not a long-time Californian, but, if anyone has read the title and description of this, you will know that this is absolutely about California, and…
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Rachel Murray: So, I have literally… I mean, we are, like, you know, in the tip of the iceberg here, but I am gonna try to dive into a couple of
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Rachel Murray: interesting parts of, of the space that is California politics and government. So Felicia, are you ready for this little ride that we're gonna.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Oh, I am so ready. As I told you earlier, I cannot wait to react to everything, so I'm keeping my mic on, get ready for gasps and shock and awe and hilarity. I have no idea where we're going with this, but I'm here.
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Rachel Murray: Well, okay, so we are gonna talk today about who should be paying for stuff in California, why it's so hard, and why it is so controversial.
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Rachel Murray: The one that may have been making it to your feeds, it's certainly been all over my feeds, but of course we all live in bubbles and echo chambers, is Prop 40, aka the billionaire's Tax.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Hmm.
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Rachel Murray: So first, yeah, I'm curious, has this hit your feeds all the way over 3,000 miles?
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Well…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): I mean, yes and no. So I would say, on my social feeds, no. Definitely not. I guess that's definitely my social media bubble. I have not seen this pop up at all. But I know we have talked about this before, beyond just you and I chatting, but I want to say that we had a…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): a podcast episode or two for our sister podcast, the She Geeks Out podcast, presented by Inclusion Geeks, where we were able to chat with
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): the, was it the city attorney from San Francisco?
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Rachel Murray: Yes.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): And this definitely came up, and there was another episode as well that was related to that, so if any listeners are interested, you can definitely go down that little rabbit hole. But that's kind of the extent of my knowledge, is that there's this billionaire's tax, and it's controversial because, surprise, surprise, billionaires don't want to pay it.
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Rachel Murray: Shock and awe. Yeah, and it's… there's actually some more controversy around it, which is what's really interesting, and then as I started to sort of dive into some of the other nuances, it sort of… it's not even just about this one proposition, because, like, nothing is just about one thing.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Of course not.
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Rachel Murray: Right? Like, why should we make it simple? Let's make it hard. I feel like California's slogan could literally be, let's make things… let's make things hard.
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Rachel Murray: Because, and, you know…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): I mean, I think local government, government in general, is built on that foundation for a lot of, you know, rightful reasons, in a lot of times.
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Rachel Murray: That's true.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): But… Yeah.
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Rachel Murray: Yeah, and that's kind of what I love about this podcast, is because I do feel like it does sort of, like, explain, you're like, why is this so stupid? It's like, oh, it's stupid for very particular reasons. So we're gonna get into some of the stupid things. Okay.
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Rachel Murray: So first of all, this billionaire's tax has been heralded by the lovely and delightful Bernie Sanders.
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Rachel Murray: And we're… but what I also want to do is talk a little bit about the history of propositions, and kind of why it's so confusing. And so… and so, just for those who, don't know, we'll get into a little bit about what propositions are. And in fact, let's… let's actually start there. So…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Start.
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Rachel Murray: It does sound like a good place to start, right? So, first of all, I'm curious, have you ever heard of the terms, the difference between direct democracy and representative democracy?
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): You know, I feel like, yes, but if you force me to give.
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Rachel Murray: In the world.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): more specific answer, I would not be able to.
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Rachel Murray: I would not.
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Rachel Murray: I would not. It is… happily, though, it is one of the less confusing things. It is exactly what it sounds like. So representative democracy is what we are… what we love, right? We basically vote, we hire people to vote on our behalf for legislation, right?
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Rachel Murray: So then, but direct democracy is exactly what these propositions are. So it's a way for people to directly create law, so that they're not just doing it… they're not having the representatives do it for them.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Oh, I see. So it's basically, like, it's not filtered through the representatives. Got it.
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Rachel Murray: Zach.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): I'm loving this so far. I'm with you.
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Rachel Murray: Excellent. Great first start.
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Rachel Murray: So, but I want to talk a little bit about why direct democracy was even a thing that was established here in California. So, in 1911, the state passed a law allowing for propositions, and, and you'll be shocked to hear why this is, is because they were pissed off that corporations had too much power in the legislative bodies.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): I'm sorry, what year was this again?
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Rachel Murray: 1911.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): So nothing's changed, alright.
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Rachel Murray: Literally everything old is new again. I literally had that in my notes as a bullet. Everything old is new again.
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Rachel Murray: So the law stated that if enough people signed a petition, new laws and amendments can be added and overturned. It said the first power reserved to the people shall be known as the initiative, you can create a new rule, and the second power reserved to the people shall be known as the referendum, to stop something from happening. And at the same time, there was a law that passed to recall a politician.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Right.
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Rachel Murray: So, that all sort of happened at the same time. And, the… sort of the corporate power at the time that was really, railed against, pun intended, is the Southern Pacific Railroad. They had too much power over legislation… legislators. And it is so wild to think that here we are in 2026,
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Rachel Murray: And we have this direct democracy, and it's just… we'll get into that. So the progressive governor at the time, this guy Hiram Johnson, he supported it, and so here we are. And one of the first propositions to pass, and I might… I will add, barely, was a woman's right to vote in the state of California.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Okay. Can I pause really quickly? So, and you may be getting to this, so if you are, just tell me to stop, and I'll pause myself. But, so is the idea here that with this direct democracy approach, that the proposition is the vehicle by which this is enacted?
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Rachel Murray: Yeah, so basically, it's… so the way it works is anyone, literally anyone in the state, can say they want to have something passed, and if they have enough signatures on a petition, then they can go onto a ballot. And then once it goes on the ballot, then it can be voted on.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): And it's… and when it's on the ballot, it's called a proposition.
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Rachel Murray: Yes, exactly.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): posting it. Sorry, that makes… that made a lot of sense as I… it was coming out of my mouth.
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Rachel Murray: No, no, no!
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Rachel Murray: It's, like, literally confusing. It's better when I was, like, initiative versus referendum, and then, like, I was just like, what is happening? So, and it is confusing, so thank you for all of the clarifications.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): You're more than welcome. There's more where that came from.
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Rachel Murray: Great, and I hope that I will be able to answer this, answer these questions. But, okay, so what I thought was really fascinating was there was one place in California that was particularly backward when it came to a woman's right to vote as I was researching this.
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Rachel Murray: And I wonder if you want to take a guess as to where in our lovely state that the voting was almost 62% no against a woman's right to vote in the state of California in 1911.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): kind of want to just guess San Diego, because that's where you are.
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Rachel Murray: Well, you could… you could guess that, but oh no, it's our fair, progressive city to the north, San Francisco.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Really?
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Rachel Murray: Which we will get into. Oh, yeah.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Okay, because if I wasn't joking about San Diego, what I probably would have guessed as a backup guess would have been, like, Sacramento, maybe? Or, like, you know, I don't know, one of the more inner belt cities, if you will.
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Rachel Murray: Yeah, I mean, that is really where we are now as a state, typically, is the further east you go, the less… the more conservative you are. However, as we will see with Proposition 40, the billionaire's tax.
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Rachel Murray: We will get back to it's maybe not such a progressive area after all. So yeah, so I wanted to throw that out there.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): San Francisco.
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Rachel Murray: I know, right? Get it together!
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): So, a quick side question, and this is not a question I think you can answer, but just a speculation, I guess, more on my part. I wonder, because it's, again, like, early 1900s, you said, so I wonder if,
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): part of that has to do with the history of how California was settled by white settlers with the gold rush coming in, and how there were, like, historically more men than women, so I wonder if any of that…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): led to this coming in in San Francisco? Who knows, but just a thought that popped into my head, so…
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Rachel Murray: I am so glad that you asked that, because I will tell you, as I was digging into this, I kept on asking all these questions, it's like, why? What is this? What's happening? And I had not even gotten to that one yet, because I was sort of getting pulled into all these tangents, and I'm like, there's gotta be, like…
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Rachel Murray: Tomes written about all of this.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): There's probably some researcher who, if they find their way to listen to this, they're, like, screaming on this right now. I wrote the book on this!
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Rachel Murray: Please stop and just get me on your podcast.
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Rachel Murray: I would love to know why, and I'm gonna put a pin in that, because I… I'm gonna come back to that and see if I can… see, I'm gonna take a little note, because I want to be able to try to answer that for future us. It's like… it's like listeners' questions, but, like, in real time.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Also, our question.
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Rachel Murray: Co-host, co-host questions. Why was SF so terrible to ladies?
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Rachel Murray: Okay, great, because I literally have no idea what was happening in the… in San Francisco in.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): But, okay, 1911, they did not like the ladies. Cool. They did not.
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Rachel Murray: Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. But it passed, so yay.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Which is also great, so…
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Rachel Murray: Yes, it is, and also partially thanks to San Diego. It was voted, more in favor of yes. So, I'm gonna fast-forward us to 1978.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Okay.
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Rachel Murray: Yeah, so, big jump, but a lot was happening in 1978. Inflation, economic uncertainty, they were really… they were sort of the things that were making the national headline.
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Rachel Murray: California at the time was also increasing its education services, and they were dealing with some corruption of their own when it came to county assessor… County assessors. So they were rewarding their friends and family with artificially low assessments property… of property.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Oh, interesting.
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Rachel Murray: Yeah, so this led to this, to a form of, I'm using air quotes, tax revolt, and it's infamously known here as Prop 13, but I shouldn't even say infamously. It's famously known as Prop 13 because, honestly, it's still pretty popular here.
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Rachel Murray: So what it did was it reset property assessments to 1976 value, so a couple years prior.
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Rachel Murray: It capped the tax rate at 1% of the assessed value, and limited annual increases to 2% unless there was a sale or a new construction. And it also wrote in two-thirds requirements to raise any state tax, which is.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): huge.
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Rachel Murray: And two-thirds of local voters have to approve any local special tax.
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Rachel Murray: The immediate effect was that local government property tax revenue dropped roughly 60% in the first year.
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Rachel Murray: Yeah.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Ouch.
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Rachel Murray: Yeah, and as you can imagine also, like, inflation's super high property values get really high, so it definitely was not at all keeping pace, which is why it's largely blamed a lot for some of the financial issues that we're having here.
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Rachel Murray: So the long-term effect is that schools lost a lot of their revenue, and it's considered a major contributor to the housing issues here, since people are less likely to sell their homes, because it's, like, wildly expensive. People just literally couldn't afford new property taxes. And I will say, as someone who is only… I am fortunate enough to have…
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Rachel Murray: purchased property here in California in the summer of 2020, and like, we joke, we… sad joke, like, we will never sell this home.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Listen, same here across the, the country on the East Coast.
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Rachel Murray: Yeah, it's… it is, yeah, exactly. And, I literally couldn't buy this house today, if we wanted to. And so this Prop 13 is still wildly popular, because it feels like the government is taking so much money.
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Rachel Murray: But in reality, the state of California is just so big and has so many people, and there are… there's just a lot of expenses.
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Rachel Murray: I will say there is some justification in it, because there has been corruption, there continues to be corruption, there continues to be mismanagement of funds, and I think people feel that. I think that's a lot of what we're seeing today, nationally, right? There's a lot… and, you know, everywhere.
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Rachel Murray: is we're seeing, like, the corruption, and we can't trust our representatives to take… to be good stewards of the money that we do give them, right? So, like, why are we going to increase taxes when we feel like they can't be trusted responsibly?
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): I mean, and that argument, I think, still happens today.
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Rachel Murray: Yes.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): the country, and you said it was 1978 that this happened?
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Rachel Murray: Yes.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Yeah, because I was… I was curious, because this is definitely very similar to something we've talked about before, which is Prop 2.5 out in Massachusetts, which is very similar in a sense of capping, but that was passed, I think, in the… in 1980.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): And it was definitely, like, a Reaganomics type of thing, and so I think Reagan was elected in 1980.
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Rachel Murray: He was.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): But, like, still, I think that, like, that was the vibe, right? That's where, like, the country was… that headspace that the country was in at that moment in time. So, not surprising, I guess, to hear that you, in California, have your own version of what we have here in Massachusetts.
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Rachel Murray: Totally, right? And it's just… it's not… it's not great, right? And… and I will say…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): it's very… it's tricky, because, I mean…
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Rachel Murray: sticky.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): you know, on the one hand, yes, like, I get that, you know.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): People have bills to pay, and, you know, there's the age-old argument around taxes and, you know, how much should we be supporting, but on the other hand, it really does hamstring a community's ability to provide services if they're not able to raise rates or to take in as much money as they could.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): And I think it goes back to, again, with the Reaganomics of it all, it goes back to, like, what do you think government is there to do?
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Rachel Murray: Right.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): to support you, and to provide you with services, or is it not? And I think that ties directly back into a lot of why these propositions got passed in the first place, because people were like, I don't want to
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Like, I think people say they don't want the services, but they really do, and that's where a lot of the, you know, challenging dynamics today, I think, arise from that dilemma of, I want all this. Like, I want my potholes to be fixed, but I also don't want to pay for it, so…
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Rachel Murray: Well, yeah, or, like, I want my potholes to be fixed, and could you please, like, do it responsibly? Like, I think that's also the more nuanced argument, or like, I saw some guy actually going to the grocery store with a t-shirt, like, I don't want my…
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Rachel Murray: my tax dollars going to killing babies overseas. Like, I mean, it's just, you know…
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Rachel Murray: That'll be another topic for another time. But yeah, but, like, I mean, it goes back to, like, how are the tax dollars being spent? And in fact, I believe there was a, a survey done, like, not too long ago, maybe a month ago or so, that was…
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Rachel Murray: here, locally, that was saying, like, people would be happy to pay taxes if they knew that their money was actually going to services. And we can certainly get into more of that, because I do have another…
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Rachel Murray: podcast episode in my pocket that we've talked about before, which is sort of even more hyper-local government around, like, tax assessments and understanding, like, ways to sort of…
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Rachel Murray: get around some of these issues around, lower, lower taxes. And I will say, all of that to say, California still is one of the most progressive taxed states in the country, and does
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Rachel Murray: Pay a lot of money, and it's still not enough.
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Rachel Murray: So I think that's really the struggle. And then the other thing that's interesting, too, is, so as of a couple of years ago, when asked directly, 65% of Californians said Prop 13 had been mostly a good thing for the state versus 30%.
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Rachel Murray: who said it's mostly bad. And it is possible that people don't really understand everything that's going on with all of the propositions, including this one, and what the ramifications are.
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Rachel Murray: And I wanted to share this, this sort of fun fact, is that many times, a lot of these bills and propositions, not surprising at all, are actually written in a way that's very deceiving, overly complicated, or hard to understand. But what's cool is that many states have been working to pass laws to stop this in practice.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Oh, okay.
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Rachel Murray: California is not one of them, but there are many other states.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Come on, California!
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Rachel Murray: California, get it together!
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Do you think that… that's good to know that there are other states out there. There are.
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Rachel Murray: I have a link in everything.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Do you think that it's so complicated on purpose, or do you think it's, like, a holdover? Because, I mean, like, you and I know, as business owners, a lot of stuff is sort of, like, you get handed the document by your lawyers, and they've copied and pasted it from something that someone put together 50 years ago, and so it's, like, it's unnecessarily full of legalese and jargon and complicated stuff.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): But I'm curious what your viewpoint is in terms of this.
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Rachel Murray: I 100% believe that this is a tactic, that is, very intentionally to deceive voters. Interesting. Yeah.
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Rachel Murray: And one thing that's related, actually, so back in 2020, and I've told this story to many people, but never to a microphone, to a group of people, but, so in 2020, here in San Diego, we had an election for a new mayor, so that we have term limits here for our mayors, and so the mayor was termed out, and so there was a new election.
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Rachel Murray: And there were two candidates that were the lead candidates. There was Todd Gloria and Barbara Brie. And, Todd Gloria was sort of, like, the favorite. They were both actually Democrats, but he was the favorite.
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Rachel Murray: You know, he sort of grew up in city politics here, you know, identity-wise. He's a brown gay man who I think
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Rachel Murray: was also very much, as well should be, you know, embraced by the community here in San Diego. I think it was certainly of a time where people were looking to make sure that they were bringing in people who are more representative of… with marginalized identities.
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Rachel Murray: His, his opponent was an older white woman who came from the business community, so on its face, identity-wise, he 100%… he actually would have had my vote entirely if I did not get a mailer that said that his, opponent was a Trump supporter. And I saw that, and I… I…
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Rachel Murray: winced a minute. I was like, I don't… I don't know if that's… I don't think that that's true, but let me do some research, and I will say, I was… and this goes back to the point of, like, why it's so important to do research, even though none of us have time, and it goes back to why representative democracy would be really good if it made sense and people were not such
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Rachel Murray: dirtbags, but here we are. We have to do all of our research, and anyway, so I do the research, and of course, she's, like, 100% not a Trump supporter. She's… was on the board of Planned Parenthood, part of the California Democrats… Women's Democrats group.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): I mean, that would truly be, like, a wild switch-up.
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Rachel Murray: It's like… well, and then I learned that I got that mailer, but then all of the people who are registered Republicans got the mailer that said she was, like, an Obama lover, and it's just like…
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Rachel Murray: Gross. Like, gross. Like, that should just be illegal. Like, you just shouldn't be allowed to just flat-out lie like that. People are busy. Like, we don't have time for these shenanigans, so…
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Rachel Murray: So, no, I think that the absolutely deceptive practices, and when I get into this whole, like, the reason why we're talking about these propositions, which we're about to get to, you'll see, like, how it can be… how folks can use these rules to their advantage.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Right.
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Rachel Murray: So what I want to do next is I want to talk a little bit… so I'm going to talk about 3 propositions.
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Rachel Murray: And I'm gonna explain why I'm gonna talk more than just the one Prop 40. But first, I'm gonna just talk about Prop 40.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): So… Okay.
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Rachel Murray: But before I do, do you have any other questions?
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): I'm sure I have a million questions, but I'm ready to go with popcorn.
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Rachel Murray: That's great. Okay, so… this… so, okay, first of all, okay, let me tell you what it is. So, the tax, it allows for a… sorry, it allows for a one-time 5% tax on the net worth of California residents who were billionaires as of January 1st, 2026.
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Rachel Murray: This amounts to roughly 200 people.
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Rachel Murray: Okay, and 200 people we're talking about.
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Rachel Murray: And it includes tax on personal property, think like artwork, and stocks that haven't been sold yet, but of course can magically be used to buy and invest in other things.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Yeah.
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Rachel Murray: It has typically not been able to be taxed on.
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Rachel Murray: It's projected to raise about $100 billion over 5 years, and even the con… there's a conservative group, called the Hoover Institution that… or the Hoover Institute, that conservatively estimates $40 billion, so let's… somewhere between $40 and $100 billion.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Billions of dollars.
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Rachel Murray: Multiple, many billions of dollars, 90% of which is earmarked for healthcare in smaller amounts for food assistance and education.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Or, yeah.
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Rachel Murray: The reason for this, it's in reaction to Trump's bill that will cut healthcare funding for Medi-Cal alone.
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Rachel Murray: 1.3 million Californians are projected to lose healthcare coverage by 2029, plus another $400,000 to $500,000 are going to be losing covered California coverage. So combined, that's close to 1.8 million Californians losing or reducing healthcare coverage.
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Rachel Murray: And increasing their insurance costs, versus literally 200 people not getting more yachts.
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Rachel Murray: like… and honestly, they could still get more yachts, like, the money will…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Sorry, can you remind me what the, like, let's say I'm a billionaire. What's the, what's the tax on me, then, again? It's, it's, you said a one-time 5%?
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Rachel Murray: one time 5%, and it's retroactive, so even if you're like, this law passed in November, and now I'm gonna move out, because it doesn't… it's not gonna start happening until, you know, we're not gonna collect until later, it is retroactive, so it is as of January 1-20. Like, if they have been living in this state.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Got it. So they can't, like, move away this fall and be like, I don't live here anymore, haha!
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Rachel Murray: Right. And of course, like, some have already, like, changed their residency, because they're…
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Rachel Murray: Trash. So what makes… so this seems obvious, right? This is great. This is saving millions and millions of.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Well, I'm… and actually, sorry, I need to do a little bit of math. I'm like, what is 5% of $1 billion?
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Rachel Murray: I literally… go ahead, you tell me. You do the math right now.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): How many zeros is this, right? Hang on, that's… That's 100,000, 1 million… Okay.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): $50 million, I think.
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Rachel Murray: Let's say… Let's say, did you do the math right?
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): I don't know, let me double check it.
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Rachel Murray: I'm like, I feel like it's more than that.
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Rachel Murray: Because if it is only $50 million, these turkeys, they've been spending that much money campaigning against it. I think it's more than that.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): 5% of 1 billion is… 50… Hang on.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): $50 million!
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Rachel Murray: Oh, per 1 billion.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Yes.
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Rachel Murray: Right. So if they have $10 billion.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): And, hang on, 10 billion, calculate.
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Rachel Murray: It's riveting for the people who are.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): This is so boring. $500 million!
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Rachel Murray: Right, so $500 million, right, cool, okay. So this is, like, a no-brainer, right? That's nothing. That's, like, pocket change for them.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Yeah.
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Rachel Murray: Whatever. They could literally…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Sell a couple pieces of artwork or something.
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Rachel Murray: Like, literally, like, they could… and they will literally just, like, make that money back in their sleep. Like, it's…
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Rachel Murray: Money makes money, right, exactly. Versus people literally, like, trying to live.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Right, dying because they don't have healthcare.
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Rachel Murray: Exactly, like, exactly. So it's like a… it's a no-brainer, right? This is a no-brainer.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Well, for some of us, it's a no-brainer.
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Rachel Murray: Well, for… for millions and millions of Californians.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Yes. For billionaires, I think it's a brainer.
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Rachel Murray: 200 billionaires, boo-hoo. But then for the everyone else, it should be a no-brainer, like, oh, this actually does make sense.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Right.
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Rachel Murray: I'll even give it to the people who are many hundreds of millions millionaires, who it won't immediately impact who they worry that they're gonna just be so rich at some point, but like…
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Rachel Murray: Honestly, if you're… if you even have, like, $5 million, you are never, like, unless something wild happens, you are not going to ever be this person. Like, it's just not gonna happen. I don't care how… I don't care how good your real estate game is, or your…
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Rachel Murray: whatever gambling situation is. But anyway, so, so to me, this seems like a no-brainer, and it was for a lot of people. It was, it was, it got on the ballot, it was, you know, and, and it, it, many, many people,
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Rachel Murray: Petitioned for this, so…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Was there, like, a group that was behind this in particular, or…
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Rachel Murray: Yes, so it was SEIU, the Service Employees International Union, so they, they were the ones that started this, because they were like, our people are not going to have healthcare, so we should probably do something about it. And I listened to a really good interview, with, with their state… I'm totally blanking on his name now, and I'm like, well, where I…
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Rachel Murray: I probably have it in here somewhere, and I'm just blanking on his name.
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Rachel Murray: But he was wonderful, and talked about how… because a lot of people are like, well, this is just a bad bill, like, it's stupid, doesn't make any sense, it's not going to collect all the money, it's gonna be open to lawsuits, blah, blah, blah. And he was… the guy was like, look.
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Rachel Murray: there were a lot of options on the table. We chose this route because this was the most viable, likely option, was a one-time, 5%, you can't get out.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Like, it could have been worse for you.
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Rachel Murray: Literally. And, like, or yeah, it could have been a lot more intense, but it made it so minimal for that very reason. But I wanted to get into a little bit of, like, who is actually against this bill.
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Rachel Murray: And then we'll get into who's for it. So, who is against it?
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Rachel Murray: Our Californian lord and savior, Gavin Newsom, was early days against it.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): I have… okay, I did hear that, and I remember being surprised by that. I mean, although… They know, it is surprising. It's so surprising.
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Rachel Murray: Surprising! Why would he be against it? Well, I'll tell you why.
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Rachel Murray: Because… He's from San Francisco!
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Rachel Murray: Guess who all his best friends are?
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Oh, that was San Franciscans.
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Rachel Murray: Well, I mean, honestly, like, if you look at it, right, I mean, we… the largest impact it's going to have.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Yes.
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Rachel Murray: Yeah, the state is San Francisco.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Cisco.
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Rachel Murray: And that is literally what he was the mayor of.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Oh my god.
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Rachel Murray: And that's where all of his besties are. So, he literally said, if this gets on his desk, he will veto it. He said this before it even got on the ballot. He, like, came out very strong against it.
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Rachel Murray: All of the other Democratic candidates fell in line and were like, yep, we're against it. Steyer changed his mind, sort of midway, and then he got the Our Revolution slash Bernie Sanders endorsement. So I'm…
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Rachel Murray: If I were to hazard a guess, I would say they probably had a conversation and said, look, we're gonna back you, but you have to come out in favor of this billionaire's tax, and he did. The other sort of really wild people who came out against it are Planned Parenthood and California Teachers Union.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Really?
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Rachel Murray: Yeah.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Planned Parenthood.
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Rachel Murray: Planned Parenthood. Now, I will say, I don't know. So these are… these are… these are speculations, because I'm not in those rooms, but…
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Rachel Murray: I do happen to know that they now offer cosmetic Botox as part of their services, Planned Parenthood.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): God, are you kidding me?
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Rachel Murray: I wish I were. I wish.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): No, I mean, sorry, I knew that they were offering Botox, but my thought was, are they thinking that their clientele is gonna be impacted by this?
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Rachel Murray: No, my, my, my supposition is that
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Rachel Murray: them taking in Botox money is an indication of how strapped they are.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Yes.
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Rachel Murray: for cash, and therefore, they are in a vulnerable position, and they don't feel like they can come out being against something that, sort of, the corporate Democrats are for, or against, whatever.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Yeah, I mean…
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Rachel Murray: theory.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): That's a… I feel like it's a fair theory, for whatever my opinion and counts were.
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Rachel Murray: It is.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): kind of a bummer, because I feel like, you know, and that's always been their…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): you know, like, their clarion call, right, is that they offer healthcare services, not just abortions, and you'd think that if we had a billionaire's tax in California, and more people wouldn't be kicked off of, you know, healthcare, and they would have money to pay for healthcare, that they would pay Planned Parenthood.
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Rachel Murray: You would think.
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Rachel Murray: But it just goes to show, I think, the fear, right? How fear just dominates, and so if you're in the room with someone, right? I mean, who knows who is in the room with these folks? It could have been Newsome, it could have been other people, right? And it could have been Carrot and stick.
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Rachel Murray: You know, I have no idea how these conversations go down, but, like, I'm sure Planned Parenthood wasn't like.
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Rachel Murray: oh, yeah, we just think that it's a bad bill, and it's not really gonna do what it needs to do. Like, I don't think that they're thinking… California Teachers Union, also really surprising. You know, if I… again, if I were to surmise, I think I… I think I read a little bit around, you know, that they really weren't included in those initial conversations with SEIU.
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Rachel Murray: are, and they would get some money, but they wouldn't get a lot of it. And I'll get into a little bit about Prop 41, which I think is honestly the most confusing part of this whole thing.
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Rachel Murray: That might play into why they went against it. But I wanted to share that with you, because I think it's why Prop 40 has been so,
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Rachel Murray: confusing for a lot of people that are on, quote, our side of the aisle. And I think it's also a really good indicator of the… what is happening in 26, where we're seeing people being like, oh, it's actually not left and right, it's up and down.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Yeah.
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Rachel Murray: And this is a really good indication of that. So, so who's for it? So we've got Bernie, our Revolution, SEIU,
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Rachel Murray: big news, though, that came out, I want to say, maybe a month ago now. California Democratic Party, after all those people said no, they… they came out and endorsed it. And honestly, yeah, it was like, yay! California Democratic Party! You see the future! Alright, cool.
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Rachel Murray: But check this out. Wait for the trash that is…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Oh, no.
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Rachel Murray: friends to the North. In a never-before move, the San Francisco Democratic Party went against the state party to oppose it.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Jesus, again, with San Francisco! What is happening?
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Rachel Murray: I mean…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Listen, I'm all for historical acknowledgement of traditions, but I think they're taking it a little too far, don't you?
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Rachel Murray: I know.
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Rachel Murray: I know, it's very upsetting, but again, it shows, right? Like, the power of San Francisco, you know, and I think, yeah, it's not left and right, it's up and down.
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Rachel Murray: And then, so as I mentioned, so how much it would make, so we talked about, let's say conservatively, yeah, the Hoover Institution said $40 billion. Proponents of it say $100 billion.
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Rachel Murray: They also note that, they would lose $25 billion for the state over the long run, so that's their concern. They're like, but it will lose the state $25 billion. Well, if it's gonna make, at the very minimum, $40 billion, and then…
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Rachel Murray: It will leak over $25 billion, which, by the way, is like…
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Rachel Murray: a guesstimate, like, they're not really sure. They're assuming, like, if everyone leaves and, you know.
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Rachel Murray: that that's what will happen. Yeah. So the maths really do math when it comes to voting yes for this. But their argument is it's gonna drive away billionaires. So sad. They say it's a flawed plan, it's too hard to get the money this way, it's hard to evaluate, which, like, look.
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Rachel Murray: Yes, and I look forward to the attempt, because…
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Rachel Murray: What do they say? You…
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Rachel Murray: Miss 100% of the shots you don't take?
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Yep. Because, yeah, we're sports people, but yes, I believe that's a quote.
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Rachel Murray: I think that's what people in sports vault do say. And then a few billionaires on paper are gonna have to get a little creative, so… because they… because they are billionaires on paper. I'm actually fine with that, because I'd much rather see that they're creative than see millions of people.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): You know what? Like, then maybe…
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Rachel Murray: healthcare.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): On paper, don't be a billionaire, like…
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Rachel Murray: Like, maybe on paper don't be a billionaire.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Yeah.
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Rachel Murray: Yeah, yeah, yeah, really. And, like, the creativity there versus the creativity of people having to choose whether they're gonna have healthcare or groceries, like, the fuck. Like…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Yeah.
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Rachel Murray: Pardon my French, but…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Like, there are a lot of people out there who are having to be creative in ways that these billionaires will never have to even imagine, so…
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Rachel Murray: Exactly. And the reality is, is that even though this is a one-time tax.
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Rachel Murray: That is… that will truly not hurt them.
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Rachel Murray: in any meaningful way. I think the real reason why they are so opposed to this is because this is the first time in the country that this is… that something like this is happening, that they're trying to pass something like this. This is more aggressive than the Pietre tax in, New York, for example. And so I think that they… their fear is
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Rachel Murray: if they don't stop it now, they're gonna see this kind of legislation popping up all over, and then maybe nationally. So, that's why they are so scared.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Well, so it's interesting because, and I know we've talked about this before, but in Massachusetts, I want to say 3 years ago, we passed our millionaire's tax.
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Rachel Murray: Yeah, you did!
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): So, definitely not on the same level as billionaires, but we did the millionaire's tax, which was a tax on
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): people with a net worth of $1 million or more, and that was the same argument, where people were like, they're all gonna leave, we're gonna lose all the wealth from the state, blah blah blah blah blah. But I just did a quick Google on the back end, because I was curious to see what the, like, the latest update is. And two things to note is, first, that the… there's a new report out, came out last year, that shows that the number of millionaires in Massachusetts grew after the tax
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): was enacted. Doc. The second thing is that, as of July of this year.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): they thought that they would be taking in about, I think they want to say, like, $1.2 billion in annual revenue, because it's an annual thing, but, this past fiscal year, they actually took in $3.4 billion. And, like, that money is used for, free lunches, free college, free buses, it's mostly, like, educational.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): and transportation focus, but, like, that's huge, right? Like, $3.4 billion that the state can use to help students and education and stuff, and, like…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): There was not a mass exodus of wealthy people fleeing the state because of that.
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Rachel Murray: And look, like, this whole idea, I mean, I think we can all agree now that, like, corporates and, you know, billionaires… look, I'm not gonna be like, there should be no billionaires, and like, whatever, money is money, but, like, if you… if you… I don't know, maybe, yes, no. I'm not gonna die on that hill, but I'm like, tax them.
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Rachel Murray: Fairly, because they cannot be trusted with the money themselves. Unfortunately, even though, like, even when we see what's happening at the federal level with the government, like, it's showing how much we actually need responsible people in charge that are…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Well, yes.
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Rachel Murray: have alternative… You know, that money isn't just their sole purpose for living.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Yes, and you know what's interesting is, because I was thinking about how, you know, back in the day, we had all these very ultra-wealthy people, mostly men.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): But the bigger difference between today and what we saw back in the, I don't even know, like, early 1900s, whatever, whatever time period, is that there was a lot that they put back into the country. Like, you know, they built universities, they built railroads, they built infrastructure, libraries, right? You know, all that stuff. And I was talking about it with my husband, Steve, and he was saying that
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): The biggest difference is because those people, those billionaires, millionaires, whatever they were.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): they were worried about getting into heaven, so this was a way for them to, like, basically guarantee religious, you know, afterlife, and I think maybe the bigger… one of the problems we have today is that these people don't… don't care, because they want to, like, live forever, and they want to leave the U.S, or not the U.S, they want to leave the Earth and…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): You know, be floating heads in space for the rest of time, so…
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Rachel Murray: Literally.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): seeing any investment back with this money, it's just, how can I make more money, and cause more suffering, and not actually give anything back, so…
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Rachel Murray: It was a wild time.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): So, I mean, I don't think I want to become, like, a major proponent for religious, you know, fervor, but I guess… At least there was some account.
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Rachel Murray: Accountability.
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Rachel Murray: Oh my god, it's so wild. Well, I want to get into these other propositions that are very much related to it, but first…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Sorry, one last question.
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Rachel Murray: Yes.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): The prop 40's on the ballot this fall, is that.
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Rachel Murray: Yes, November 3rd, yes.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): California, you know where we stand on this matter.
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Rachel Murray: Seriously. And also, there's… then there's 14 total propositions, and I mean, honestly, like, this is the thing, I'll talk about this… I'll go on my… I will end. You know what? I'm not. I'm gonna pause. I'm gonna… I'll get to that in a minute.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): I…
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Rachel Murray: I need to ask you a question before I get to propositions. Have you ever heard of a poison pill?
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Yes, I have.
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Rachel Murray: Tell me what you know.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Well, so… oh my god, this is stressful.
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Rachel Murray: No, no, don't be stressed.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): This is you're getting me back for giving you a pop quiz in our process.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Okay.
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Rachel Murray: So, yeah.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): I have heard of a poison pill. My understanding is that basically it's, like, something that you slip in, so that if you want the, like, the good stuff, you have to take the little bit of poison along with it.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): which I believe is why a lot of times you're like, why did this, you know, senator or whatever not vote for this amazing bill that we all want? And it's like, well, because there was a poison pill slipped in, and if they voted yes for the good stuff, then that means that actually worse stuff would happen, because this stuff has slipped in. Is that accurate?
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Rachel Murray: That is totally… actually, that is… that is accurate. There's a slightly different interpretation in the way it's used in… with regard to these propositions, but it's…
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Rachel Murray: It is similar. So I'll give you a little bit of a background on it. So, I'm gonna give you another little mini history lesson. So, in 1988,
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Rachel Murray: there were two competing campaign finance reform measures that were posed, amending the same law, and both had passed. Doesn't matter what it is, they both passed.
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Rachel Murray: To resolve the issue went to court. The proponents for the one that received less votes argued that some of the line items that don't compete should still take effect.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Hmm.
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Rachel Murray: Right? So there's, like, imagine there's, like, 10 things, and then, like, 6 of them…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Because you're like, well, it passed.
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Rachel Murray: direct.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): We'll have it in.
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Rachel Murray: Right, like, yeah, they're like, well, imagine, like, they said they wanted to do, like, 10 things, and, like, 6 of them had nothing to do with that other bill, but 4 of them did, and they were like, let's just have these 4 not be included, but I want these 6, since it doesn't have any… it's not competing with that other law, they should pass since the whole… since the…
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Rachel Murray: proposition passed anyway. The California Supreme Court was like, no thank you. So in 1990, so two years later, they were like, no, if one wins, the whole thing wins. It's all or nothing. So this is what became known as the poison pill, sort of like this all-or-nothing approach, which is sort of like, you're gonna take the poison pill whether you like it or not.
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Rachel Murray: So what it did is it encouraged some folks to put forward bills that would rival the ones that they don't care for, and this is what happened with props 41 and 42. And I will say it's been really… so my socials have been, like, my little echo chamber. I'm getting a lot of, like.
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Rachel Murray: yes on 40, and I've been, like, literally commenting on every one where I see yes on 40, and I don't see a no on 41 and 42, where I'm commenting to be like, you have to bring in no on 41 and 42, because if either one of those pass with more votes, Prop 40 is null and void.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Oh.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Okay.
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Rachel Murray: So, imagine.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Sorry, let me roll this back.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Stop.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): So even… so are props 41 and 42 related to Prop 40 in content?
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Rachel Murray: I will get there. I will explain how they are related.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Color be slightly confused, but still here. Alright.
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Rachel Murray: No, totally.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): So…
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Rachel Murray: Well, so what happened was, Prop 40 got on the ballot, right? It got all… it got enough, signatures to get on the ballot.
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Rachel Murray: So, these billionaires were like, okay, well, we need to get our own proposition.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): up.
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Rachel Murray: On this, to counter, to do this poison.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): And you're like, uno reverse. We will text all the people who are making no money, and we will make all the buddies. Thank you very much.
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Rachel Murray: Well, I'll explain to you how… how this actually works, and why it's so devious, and, like, annoyingly genius, and why I personally am very worried, that Prop 40 won't end up succeeding.
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Rachel Murray: Because I think that Prop 40 will likely get enough votes to pass, but I am still very worried that 41 and 42, for the people who are not paying attention, will be like, of course these things make total sense.
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Rachel Murray: And remember that we're at a time, I think, nationally, where we're really frustrated with
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Rachel Murray: the economy and the way government is spending money, and I can only speak for here locally, is, like, we cannot get any taxes passed here, any additional taxes, like, there is just no appetite for it here. None, because all we're seeing is, like, our dollars are being misused, misspent, it's just bad, so…
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Rachel Murray: And so these propositions are speaking to that. So I'm gonna tackle 41 first, which I think is a little bit more complicated than 42, and then 42 is easy.
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Rachel Murray: So, 41, it claims to be about government efficiency. So, like.
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Rachel Murray: And I literally had to, like, read this PDF, like, 4 times, so… and this is the thing that's so frustrating, right? Like, everyone else has to do this, too.
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Rachel Murray: First, it's doing what it sounds great. It's increasing the auditing of ballot initiatives for efficiency and transparency. Great! I love efficiency. I'm a Virgo. My birthday was just 4 days ago. I'm all about it. And we all know the ones to 10s are, like, the best of all the Virgos. Thank you, Lou.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Yes.
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Rachel Murray: Thank you for sending me that, socials. So that sounds really cool. Then, okay, this is where it gets a little…
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Rachel Murray: Confusing. Okay, so stick with me.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): I'm here, I'm ready.
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Rachel Murray: Okay. So, it says that if all state spending combined goes above the GAN limit… okay, what is the GAN limit? I will tell you this in a second. That money will get split between schools and taxpayer funds.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Okay?
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Rachel Murray: Which makes me think, too, when I hear schools, I'm like, hmm, Teachers Federation, interesting.
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Rachel Murray: Because of that, it is in conflict with Prop 40, because Prop 40 is exempting itself from this limit.
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Rachel Murray: That limit… okay, I'm going to tell you what this limit is, because it's a little confusing. I'm so sorry, I know this is so confusing. So, it's officially Prop 4 from 1979 to the same time as, like, it's considered, like, related to Prop 13.
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Rachel Murray: It caps how much money California can spend in total each year, and anything collected above that cap gets refunded instead of spent.
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Rachel Murray: It was literally marketed at the time as a companion to Prop 13. So they were like, this is as much money as you can spend. Any more money, it's gonna go as a refund, or it's gonna go into education.
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Rachel Murray: So that's what the GAN limit is. What Prop 40 did was it said, we are going to exempt ourselves from the GAN limit, because if we are included, if this money is included in that pot, we are 100%, hopefully, going to kick… get kicked above
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Rachel Murray: the GAN limit, and then therefore the money's gonna get, divvied up, so we want to have this be an exemption from being related to the GAN limit. But what this proposition says is, oh, no, no, you cannot exempt yourself. So it's in direct conflict with.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): I'm 40.
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Rachel Murray: That's why they…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Okay, and is the… is the money… the money related to the spend, related to the gamble bit, that's the money that the local governments are bringing in?
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Rachel Murray: It's all of the money. All of the money.
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Rachel Murray: All of the money from the state.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Okay, so basically, if Prop 41 were to pass, then the…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Both of them passed, I should say.
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Rachel Murray: Yes.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): then Prop 40 would say, we're gonna tax the billionaires and get the 5%.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): And then that money would basically, because of Prop 41, have to be refunded back into education or a refund? Is that the idea there?
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Rachel Murray: It would literally be null and void, because specifically, the Prop 40 specifically says, and I didn't cover this before, because it just made it confusing without talking about it in relation to Prop 41, because it wouldn't have even been a thing if it weren't for Prop 41,
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Rachel Murray: part of what they built into Prop 40 was to say, we need to be exempt
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Rachel Murray: from the GAN limit at the get-go, because we… because if we don't exempt ourselves, we're gonna be kicked, but then that's what's gonna happen, exactly. Then the money's gonna get refunded.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): So basically, the idea is that if only Prop 40 passes, and we get this money in, the idea is that then the government can do whatever they want to with that extra money. It doesn't have to go to…
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Rachel Murray: Well, that money won't even… that money won't even be included. It won't even be considered as part of the GAN limit. So imagine you have.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): It'll just be a separate.
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Rachel Murray: pot of money. Exactly, exactly. And what Prop 41 is saying is, it's saying, you can't do that.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Got it, okay. So I can see why this would be attractive to educational, you know, groups and teacher groups, because they'd be like, well, we want this money, so… which…
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Rachel Murray: And, exactly.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): My mom, but… Yeah.
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Rachel Murray: Exactly, and it's also appealing to more conservative
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Rachel Murray: tax people, right, who are like, we don't trust government to spend money.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Right.
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Rachel Murray: unwisely. So… so that… I… I think it's… it's really… and it's… it's confusing, like, I literally… we're talking about it, right? Like, it's… you have to know what the GAM limit is, like.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Yeah, totally. And so the idea is that, based on what you said earlier, because of this other rule, or whatever, 88, I think that's the date, this other rule, if both 40 and 41 pass, 41… they need more votes, is that?
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Rachel Murray: Yes, exactly. So the way it works is, if Prop 40 gets 2 million votes, and Prop 41 gets 2,001 votes.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): It's been prepped for me.
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Rachel Murray: 41 wings.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): precedence. Across the board, okay.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Oof, alright, so… So that's pretty cool. There's another one too now, right? That's just…
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Rachel Murray: So that's the confusing one. 42?
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Rachel Murray: straightforward, and, like, very likely to pack. Like, if you were to ask me of the two, I'd be like, that one seems like…
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Rachel Murray: I would be shocked if it didn't do really well.
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Rachel Murray: So, check this out.
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Rachel Murray: Do you want to read something? Yeah. Do you want me to give you something to read? I'm gonna put it in chat.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): I love to read.
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Rachel Murray: I'm gonna put you…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): This makes me feel like I'm back in school, and, you know, they're like, alright, now everyone's gonna be sharing reading duties. Okay.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): No state law and no provision of this Constitution enacted on or after January 1st, 2026 may enact, create, impose, or authorize collection of attacks on the ownership or control of retirement holdings, individually owned assets, and other forms of personal savings, whether held directly or indirectly.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): This is Prop 42.
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Rachel Murray: This is Prop 42.
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Rachel Murray: Do you see why that sounds so appealing to most of middle America, right? Anyone with origin?
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): It's, like, older people who are.
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Rachel Murray: Of course!
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Yeah.
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Rachel Murray: But the reality is, is they are not going to be taxed, right?
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): billionaires, like, come on now.
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Rachel Murray: Correct. But they don't… but if you're not paying attention, they're like, well, shit, if we vote…
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Rachel Murray: No on this, that means they're going to tax us.
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Rachel Murray: But the reality is not, and in fact, this is what, this is what I'm like, this is the message that I would love to get out to people, is like, guess what? We could have a bill next year that says the exact same thing, right?
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Rachel Murray: And then that's fine, because Prop 40 will have passed.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): short.
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Rachel Murray: So, you don't want your… make the rule be, oh, we don't want it up to a certain… like, if you are a certain dollar…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Like, another number. Yeah.
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Rachel Murray: But the… but it sounds so appealing, right?
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean, I can see, especially, like, folks who are older, who are… who have retirement holdings, who have property, who are like, I don't want to be taxed and all this, that's definitely catnip for them, for sure.
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Rachel Murray: 100%, 100%. So that's that law. So, real quick…
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Rachel Murray: Building a Better California is the PAC that is… has, worked on both of these, initiatives, these… these propositions. Wow.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): too.
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Rachel Murray: What was that, 41 and 42?
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): collaborative, yeah.
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Rachel Murray: So, we've got Sergey Brin, co-founder of Google.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Okay.
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Rachel Murray: We've got Eric Schmidt, former Google CEO. We've got Chris Larson, the CEO of Ripple.
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Rachel Murray: We have the CEOs of the wonderful company, so don't buy any more Fiji water or palm juice, because that's them.
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Rachel Murray: Crying face emoji, Patrick Collison, who's the co-founder and CEO of Stripe.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Hmm.
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Rachel Murray: Tony Zhu, the DoorDash CEO, and then a bunch of other VC billionaires, and then there's this one, like, Reform California guy, Carl DeMaio, who put in, like, $20,000. But, like.
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Rachel Murray: $58 million was spent on Prop 41, and $50 million on Prop 42. So, I mean, $100 million was basically just spent by Sergey. Like, I mean…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): You're like, my dude, you could just have spent less money if this passes.
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Rachel Murray: Well, it just goes to show how many fucking billions of dollars this man has, like, I mean, so he's still, like, they think this is a worthy…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Yeah, I did my calculations on 1 billion, I forgot.
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Rachel Murray: No, it's all good.
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Rachel Murray: But, like, I get it, but, like, again, like, it's so much money, and then… and I think not only that, if they thought that this was just gonna be a one-time thing, and they didn't have to worry about this happening across… like, setting precedent, because this is… this will go to the courts if it does even go.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Sure. Ugh, that's annoying. You know, it's funny, it makes me think of, so here in Massachusetts, we're gearing up for the governor's race right now, and there's basically, one Democrat who's the incumbent, Maura Healey, and then there's two Republicans who are running against her, but this one guy, Mike Minogue, just… either he announced or it was revealed, basically, that he's spending… do you want to guess how much money he's spending on that?
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Rachel Murray: God, I don't… I don't want to know. How much?
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): $2 billion.
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Rachel Murray: Come on.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): become governor.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): In Massachusetts, as a Republican.
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Rachel Murray: I'm so exhausted.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): It's like, the reason I bring it up is, like, it's so wild what people who have money choose to spend money on. Like, if this guy in Massachusetts
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): spent half of his budget, he could be doing such amazing things for the entire Commonwealth. But no, all that's going to freaking flyers and TV ad campaigns.
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Rachel Murray: He could spend a billion dollars and probably house every single unhoused person.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): in the.
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Rachel Murray: state of Massachusetts, if not more than that. You know, here's the thing, like, I gotta tell you, I was saying to someone else, I'm like, this whole year of the horse stuff, I didn't realize they would just be galloping all over us. I'm exhausted.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Yes! Yes, I hear you, and I agree, like, geez! I mean, you're getting trampled by this horse here!
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Rachel Murray: I'm so tired. And so, so here's the thing, like, and just to wrap it up, and very quickly, I will tell you, the other thing that's such a bummer about Prop 42 is… so a lot of times, people will look to see who… because there's so many propositions and so many, like, just so many things happening, like we talked about in the beginning.
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Rachel Murray: People look to who is supporting and who's opposing it.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Right.
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Rachel Murray: And, like, there's a lot of people that are…
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Rachel Murray: you know, out supporting the, Prop 42, that maybe is a little bit more questionable, but, like, there are definitely some that would be like, oh, the, you know, California Small Business Association, like, the Black Chamber of Commerce, Professional Firefighters, Construction Trades Council.
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Rachel Murray: Disabled American Veterans Department of California, like, I… and then, you know, Multicultural Business Alliance, so these are all, like, buzzwords that I see, and I'm just like… but then there's, like, also, like, a bunch of, like, taxpayers Association groups there, too.
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Rachel Murray: So we looked to them, right? We looked… we looked to Newsom.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): of endorsements.
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Rachel Murray: Exactly! The endorsements are incredibly powerful, and it's why I've had such a little B in my bonnet about Prop 40, because it's…
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Rachel Murray: you know, these are people that I would have considered in a former life to be very much aligned with, and I think there are still people that are very much in my community that
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Rachel Murray: are very much in alignment with them, and maybe this will be a wake-up call to say, like, I don't know, maybe it's worth taking a deeper dive into what the Democratic Party really is today.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Oh, I mean, I think that's… Or 1911. I think that should be done in any case, because…
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Rachel Murray: Yes.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): I mean, you and I are both definitely more on the progressive side, and, you know, I mean, gosh, I don't want to get another text message being like… or another tweet, or whatever they put out there, being like, what can we do to stop Trump? It's like, you're the people who are in leadership roles, why are you asking us? Like, Jesus.
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Rachel Murray: Like, I, you know, it's true. And just to go back to the, like, you know, there's 14 state ballot initiatives. That doesn't include local measures that are happening across the state. And then, of course, there are all the people that we have to vote for. This is just the initiatives. We haven't even gotten.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): You're gonna be, like, in that booth, spending, like, so much time just…
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Rachel Murray: Well, and I will tell you, many… I don't know about most, I actually don't know what the percentage is, but I know that mail-in voting is very, very common here. I certainly do it, and that's also worrisome, right?
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Yeah.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): It's very much so.
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Rachel Murray: So it's like…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Are you gonna… are you gonna mail in your ballot this year, do you think or not?
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Rachel Murray: What I typically do is I go to our local library and they have a drop-off box, so it's a legitimate drop-off box. Okay. So that is typically how we do it. So what I've read is that that's still, a very safe way to do it, and in fact, because it goes basically directly
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Rachel Murray: It's the next best thing, essentially, to actually going in the day of and voting, because it's not going through the mail system, and…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): You're just giving it to the location.
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Rachel Murray: And you have… and also you have to be careful and make sure it's not, like, a fake Dropbox.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Yeah, yeah, totally. Well, it's interesting because, like, I always… I have mail-in voted before, like, especially if I'm not… if I'm traveling or whatever, but I… I don't know, there's something about going in person, which…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): hasn't, in years past, been tied so much to fear of deception, but has been more about feeling the patriotic energy, and like, you know, just kind of being there. But definitely, you know, I think if I weren't already planning on this, I would definitely be like, I'm gonna vote in person this fall, so…
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Rachel Murray: Yeah, it's really tricky, because what we've typically done is, and what I love about being able to have that option to do mail-in voting, especially with ballots as big as these, is, we're able to come together and have discussion, and be like, not that anyone listens to anything I say, but I try to… I try to, you know, share my point of view with things, and then other people can share theirs, and then we can all sort of fill in our
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Rachel Murray: ballots.
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Rachel Murray: together, right? And then we take.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): You should do that still, but do it with, like, a sample ballot, so that way you, like…
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Rachel Murray: Well, I…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Like a test run.
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Rachel Murray: I know, I think we'll be okay because we're using those official drop boxes and not the USPS, but yeah, I genuinely hope that…
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Rachel Murray: that people will also go in if they can, or make sure that they're going to official… like, if I weren't… if it weren't, like, at the library, I would be like, maybe not, but…
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Rachel Murray: It's at the library, there are literal workers there that are overseeing it, so I feel good about that. But all this to say, to circle all the way back, and then Truly I am done, is that…
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Rachel Murray: this idea of representative democracy versus direct democracy is really frustrating, because I love…
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Rachel Murray: and I'm sure many of us do, this idea that we can have real control over, legislation, right? That's really, really cool.
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Rachel Murray: But we are in a society where we literally… it is built so that we do not have time to pay attention. I mean, as we've talked about this too, it's like… it's why people is, you know, that's why voting day is November on a Tuesday. Like, it's… they make it hard, they don't want people…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Also, why, like, you're not just automatically enrolled and registered to vote when you turn 18, for example.
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Rachel Murray: Right! Or you're required to vote, or you…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Put on a military list for, you know, drafting and stuff like that, but not for voting.
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Rachel Murray: Right, and you… or you get fined if you don't vote. Like, you… there's a… there's an obligation to vote, and there's… there's an obligation to participate, right? There just isn't that. It's not an… it's not an opt-out, it's an opt-in.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Yeah, which is always… it's interesting, because we just went through this… it's not on the same scale at all, but, we just… Sorry, I'm laughing already, because it's so stupid to compare, but we just went through this little mini thing here in East Hampton, because we, we became part of this community electricity program that will basically offer electric rates at lower rates than whatever source is offering.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): And it's an opt-out, as opposed to an opt-in, and can I just tell you, people are mad about that!
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Rachel Murray: It's exhausting.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): This is literally here to help you, but they're mad because they want to be opt-in versus opt-out, and it's just, like, because people don't… they don't read their mail, they don't understand what… like, the amount of people posting on Facebook about this program who literally didn't read the letter all the way through, and then other people were like, just keep reading, and you'll see your answers are all… your questions are all answered.
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Rachel Murray: The whole thing is exhausting, but here we are.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): So I hear you as far as, like, you know, it's complicated, and, you know, it is… like, I do believe, and I will say, going back to the representative versus direct discussion.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): I do think there's a place for both, and I think it's… my opinion is, I think it's good that we have multiple forms of this kind of democracy, because I do think that there are things that, like, either you don't have the knowledge, the energy, the passion, the stamina, the wherewithal, the education, whatever it might be, and you should be looking to people who you say, you're gonna represent me and my interests, but at the same time, and this is something that I know I wrestle with as an elected official.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): again, on a much smaller scale. But…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): people sometimes get mad with me, because they're like, well, you… you shouldn't be sharing your opinions, and it's like, I have a right to share my own opinions, and I have a right to my own values, and I have a right to vote on that, but I also am supposed to, and I do, take into account what my constituents want, but that doesn't mean that it's a mandate.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): to listen to them. Because it's also impossible. Like, there's no way to come to consensus with, you know, in your case, in California, millions of people. There's just no way. In East Hampton, maybe it'd be a little bit more attainable for me, because I only have, you know, however many people I have to convince, or whatever, but, like, there's just no way, because you'll always have someone who believes in something different, and so… but that's an argument that I come up against all the time, where people are like, well.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): just because we elected you doesn't mean that you can vote the way you want to vote on stuff. And it's like, well, no, actually, it does kind of mean that, because you agreed that you like me enough to have me represent what I think is best, and if you don't agree with that, then you run next time, or you recall me, and you can absolutely do those things if you want to, so…
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Rachel Murray: Exactly, exactly. Oh, Felicia. Well, thank you so much for bearing with me on this journey of…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Thank you.
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Rachel Murray: majority propositions, and I agree with you. I think that we do need both, and…
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Rachel Murray: I just wish that we all had a little bit more time to really think through what it is that we're voting on, because, I mean, as much as I will support all of my friends and send them who I plan to vote for and how I plan to vote.
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Rachel Murray: it's always helpful to, unfortunately, do your own research around things that matter so… they matter so much right now. I… it just… it breaks my heart how much this stuff really matters, and unfortunately, the people in charge know that, and so it's up to all of us to…
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Rachel Murray: counter it.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Well, I think, you know, one rule that I like to follow personally, like, you were saying earlier about how you look to see who's supporting what, and that may or may not be helpful, depending on stuff that we already talked about, but one other thing that I always like to think about is, like, follow the money, because it's like, if there's so much money being spent on something, why? Like, why is it being spent? And, you know…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): It's because…
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): People who are spending the money have something to lose, and you, you know, kind of go down that little trail.
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Rachel Murray: Great. Well, thank you so much, and thank you, listeners.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Yeah, thanks, listeners!
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Rachel Murray: Please,
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): More to come.
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Rachel Murray: Yeah, and please, comment and share, and, like, if I got anything wrong, like, comment.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): If you're a researcher who's written, books about San Francisco in the early 1900s.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): And why they didn't like women, let us know.
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Rachel Murray: We want to hear from you. In the meantime, I'm gonna go dig some… I'm gonna dig that up. I'm gonna see if… what other research I can find. Yeah, thank… thank you, thank you.
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Felicia Jadczak ('Fell-ish-ah', she/her/s): Bye!